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Daniel Khastou's avatar

Great piece. I have two notes

1. First of all, the line between an objective view of nature (putting aside whether a truly objective nature exists) and philosophical pessimism exists but I find it extremely fascinating how Herzog, based on the quotes you have put in here, seems to cross over this threshold so quickly that if you aren't looking it appears to not even exist. He goes from "hard truths in life" to an intense Schopenhauerian perspective. Frankly I find philosophical pessimism exactly what Christians warned about when they spoke of what the "demonic" was. (Also relates to why they rejected Gnosticism so much). Again, this line between nature being "objectively cruel" and it just being "evil", as Herzog seems to imply, exists and we shouldn't forget it. At least the way I see it, the first perspective is more concerned with truth (though objectivity as ontology and epistemology to begin with is on shaky ground especially in regards to nature. Terrence McKenna really comes to light here), while the second perspective is more concerned with a feedback loop of its underlying assumption. Pessimism versus optimism is nothing but a feedback loop of an underlying assumption. (reinforcing an optimistic point of view versus a pessimistic point of view)

Second of all, I couldn't help but think of my own related idea while reading this. I think its likely that from a Nietzschean perspective, we deeply resent nature. Nature was our master, and we adopted a sort of "slave morality" towards it, conceptualizing it as "evil". This resentment turns into desire to control nature and this explains why we are wrecking the planet. An incredibly neurotic condition indeed. But nature is indifferent. It doesn't care about us. We are slowly matching it in power but in many ways it is still more powerful than us (again how nature is defined is important here). Its a weird idea but I think it highlights our neurotic dysfunction with nature as a whole and why we cannot seem to get a grip on our problems with it and why we are still causing so much damage. In the darkest deepest subconscious, I think most people actually want to destroy nature. They deeply desire to gain control back and punish that which has caused us immense pain and suffering (again the resentment response). If we're being honest, if we actually had an okay relationship with nature, we would not be wrecking the planet. But nobody wants to admit that. and that's pretty dark.

Misha Valdman's avatar

It sounds like Mill had a complicated relationship with his mother.

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